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Feb 17th, 2010, 1:36pm
 
It's time.  The Bob-Whites are visiting Uncle Andrew in the Ozarks.  Not that it is a restful vacation.  (Would we want them to have one?)
 
What are your thoughts on The Mystery at Bob-White Cave?
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Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2010, 4:01pm
 
This is one of my favorites it at least makes the top five on my list from 1 through 5 I have personally had a vacation into Missouri to go cave exploring with my kids when they were younger it was inspired because of this book. I'll post more about my thoughts on the subject after I've freshened my mind with a reread first though.
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2010, 12:58am
 
One of my middle-of-the road books. I think I like it better now than I did as a kid. This is the book that lost my daughter. She didn't like Marshland and was bored silly by the first part of this one. I kept telling her it would get better, but she finally gave up, and has not picked up a Trixie since.  cry
 
I LOVE the cave. I want to see it. It sounds stunning. I think caves are so interesting, even though it's been several years since I've been in one. I really liked Mrs. Moore and Linnie and Bill Hawkins. And Matthew, although we don't get to know him until the end. They seem like bone-deep good people. There's more of Uncle Andrew in this one, and he's very likeable, too. Ol' Andy must be pretty well off if he can afford two houses big enough to host 5-6 people and pay for staffs for both of them. Obviously, he needs the Gormans to run the sheep ranch, but I wouldn't think the lodge would need a much looking after if he wasn't there. I got the impression Mrs. Moore was a full-time housekeeper, although I suppose she could be part-time. Andy is a nice, generous man who cares deeply about the people in his life. I wonder if he ever set up education funds for his favorite niece and nephews? He was willing to help Linnie through high school, so it seems likely.I love the ending where Matthew Moore recovers his memory and is reunited with his family. I liked Mart in this book. Sometimes the KKs make him too much of a caricature. The information on spelunking was interesting, too.  
 
On the down side, the opening scene shows Trixie as the biggest brat ever in the series. She could be pretty over-the-top at times in this book. Also, the group wouldn't accept Uncle Andrew's offer of money toward the charity, but they let him purchase all that spelunking equipment, plus a tank to keep the fish in? Sexism was rampant (the girls washed the dishes, the boys unhitched the mules), but that wasn't uncommon when the book was written. Honey was a wimp. Her biggest contribution in this book was making the curtains. I noticed that when Trixie needed help, she always called, "Jim! Brian!". Not Mart, and certainly not Honey. Oh, yes, I forgot that Honey called the boys ("Jim! Brian!") for help when Trixie was drowning. That was important!  
 
I'd still like to stay at the lodge, meet the Moores and explore that cave.  Smiley
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2010, 1:22am
 
I just finished reading this book a few weeks ago.
I actually really enjoy this book I found it really sad that slim would actually set a fire to linnie and mrs moore's home. The first time I read this book i was only 11 and when i was up to the end of the book where trixie nearly drowned i was really scared. Not my favourite, but definately in my top 10! Smiley
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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2010, 10:31am
 
One of my favorite Trixie scenes of all times is when Jim's strong arms rescue her from the sink hole. (happy sigh)  But I do believe he gets blue eyes for this one?   I can't help it.  I love the damsel in distress storyline.  And Jim with blue eyes or green eyes could save me any day!!
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Reply #5 - Feb 19th, 2010, 3:55pm
 
Quote from Pamela S. on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:31am:
One of my favorite Trixie scenes of all times is when Jim's strong arms rescue her from the sink hole. (happy sigh)  But I do believe he gets blue eyes for this one?   I can't help it.  I love the damsel in distress storyline.  And Jim with blue eyes or green eyes could save me any day!!

 
 
For me it doesn't matter what color of eyes he has just that he's there when she needs him (sigh...)
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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2010, 4:00pm
 
Quote from Elaine on Feb 19th, 2010, 3:55pm:
Quote from Pamela S. on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:31am:
One of my favorite Trixie scenes of all times is when Jim's strong arms rescue her from the sink hole. (happy sigh)  But I do believe he gets blue eyes for this one?   I can't help it.  I love the damsel in distress storyline.  And Jim with blue eyes or green eyes could save me any day!!



For me it doesn't matter what color of eyes he has just that he's there when she needs him (sigh...)

Well said, Elaine!! Smiley
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Reply #7 - Feb 19th, 2010, 9:41pm
 
This book would not make my top ten, probably primarily because never in my wildest dreams, could I imagine forcing myself to enter a cave!  I am absolutely an indoor type, although as as a kid, we hung out in the woods a lot. I liked the book more as I got older, though. I love Uncle Andrew, although I was also puzzled because he seemed so entrenched in each place; with the travel thrown in, he was a pretty busy guy, no wonder he never married. I loved the ending with Matthew, hated Slim and loved the Moores. It was a stretch though, that they found the fish in the first cave they went in. Not in the bottom ten or top ten either. Maybe #11 is about right. Wink Wink
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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2010, 5:51pm
 
I like this book - not my favorite, though. I get really aggrevated at Trixie in this one - I mean, how much of a one track mind can you have? Have some fun and let your family and friends relax a little!  
 
I really enjoy the setting - I like caves and being outdoors. I love the Moore's and all the neighbors - the party is great. Uncle Andrew is great, too. I really enjoy all the local color and customs that we see in the book. It really makes me want to be there.
 
The main thing I didn't like, besides Trixie's attitude, has already been mentioned. The kids refused Uncle Andrew's offer of money, but how much did he spend on equipment and stuff? It had to be a small fortune - any kind of outdoor equipment is really expensive.  
 
Good stuff  Smiley
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2010, 1:30pm
 
Quote from jfit on Feb 20th, 2010, 5:51pm:
I like this book - not my favorite, though. I get really aggrevated at Trixie in this one - I mean, how much of a one track mind can you have? Have some fun and let your family and friends relax a little!
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Reply #10 - Feb 22nd, 2010, 10:49pm
 
I really liked this book. Trixie's attitude was annoying, very true, but I liked the cave exploring. I liked the "ghost" side plot. I loved the party scene. My favorite part was when Trixie, Honey, and Linnie was in the lodge talking.
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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2010, 1:23pm
 
The Mystery at Bob-White Cave falls somewhere in the middle of the like/dislike scale for me.
 
It was fun to visit the Ozark Mountains.  I missed Diana and Dan, but I liked meeting Linnie.  And I loved that Linnie and Mrs. Moore were reunited with Mr. Moore in the end.
 
Slim was annoying as soon as he showed up.  Bill Hawkins was uncomfortable with him, yet nothing was said for several chapters.  I wonder why Uncle Andrew didn't inquire further before hiring Slim as a guide.
 
It *is* strange that the BWGs let Uncle Andrew buy all the equipment.  It would have made more sense if the equipment was for the lodge from the beginning, as it ended up being since it wouldn't fit in their luggage, since then anyone could use it.  After all, the Idaho Beldens could visit Uncle Andrew, too! Smiley
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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2010, 9:27pm
 
I'm late getting this post in, but I love this book! The whole cave thing is so interesting to me. I've been in a couple of great caves, including a local cave called Marengo Cave and also Mammoth Cave in KY. I loved the cave scenes and felt that they were very descriptive. I love when they found the ghost fish.  
I loved the party! I especially loved the ending when they discover that the old man is really Mrs. Moore's husband. How perfectly perfect! Smiley
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Reply #13 - Mar 10th, 2010, 12:55am
 
Quote from Dina on Mar 6th, 2010, 9:27pm:
I'm late getting this post in, but I love this book! The whole cave thing is so interesting to me. I've been in a couple of great caves, including a local cave called Marengo Cave and also Mammoth Cave in KY. I loved the cave scenes and felt that they were very descriptive. I love when they found the ghost fish.
I loved the party! I especially loved the ending when they discover that the old man is really Mrs. Moore's husband. How perfectly perfect! Smiley

I agree. I love the cave!
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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2010, 5:59pm
 
I don't like the beginning of the book at all. Trixie is so whiny and bratty. I have to stifle the urge to reach through the book and smack her. Fortunately, things improve greatly after that shaky start.
 
I remember one of the lines that I always get a kick out of from Honey when they're in the cave. "It's the blackest black." The cave sounded so interesting, I really wished I could see it for myself.
 
I do have to confess though when they have the party that I kept visualizing the relatives that come out for the wedding in the Beverly Hillbillies movie.   Roll Eyes
 
As the book progresses, I still get wrapped up in the drama. That's pretty good after all these years.
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Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2010, 8:43pm
 
It's funny, but now that you said that, I realized that I pictured the guests coming "Little House on the Prairie" style in wagons.
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Reply #16 - Mar 19th, 2010, 11:53pm
 
I liked the book! I didn't like Trixie's attitude at the beginning.I liked Linnie and Mrs. Moore!The best part was the party with the neighbors! Smiley
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Reply #17 - Jun 1st, 2013, 1:41pm
 
I remember this being a favorite of mine, as a young reader.  I think it was the adventure.  Going into a cave is not something I would normally do.  I agree that Trixie's attitude, at the start of the book was too weird.  Also, the fact that the BWGs were pretty much allowed to do what ever without much consequence was a bit unbelievable.  Uncle Andrew didn't seem to be in charge.  I missed Miss Trask in this book.  And Regan.  
 
The impression of the Ozark people did seem a bit stereotypical, but I suppose it could have been that way in the late 50's.  The separation of the boys and girls was somewhat new in this book.  The boys were often off doing "boy" things, while the girls stayed in and did domestic "girl" things.  Typical for Di, but not very characteristic for Honey and certainly not Trixie  Roll Eyes
 
In the end, the discovery of the ghost fish was a bit anti-climatic.  Throughout the book, the fish were the central theme, but finding them happened so quickly and it was over in the blink of an eye.  The charitable reason for the BWGs wanting the reward was also downplayed in the end.  It's like the writer suddenly switched gears and focused on the mystery of the ghost (Matthew Moore) and how Slim was trying to twart the "spelunkers" attempt to earn the reward.
 
I give this one a  Smiley for the adventure, but, for some reason (not sure why), the characters were a bit "off" and just didn't seem like the usual BWGs.
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Reply #18 - Mar 19th, 2017, 11:42pm
 
I am re-reading Bob White Cave, the short ugly version.  The cover makes me curious, the girl with Trixie seems to have black hair, Di didn't make that trip, so is she Linnie?  Her hair is too dark to be Honey imho!   Smiley
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Reply #19 - Mar 19th, 2017, 11:57pm
 
I think so. I've seen a picture from one of the other editions and it shows her with dark hair.
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Reply #20 - May 4th, 2017, 10:57am
 
I was not happy with Trixie early on and didn't expect much of the book because of that, but toward the end I got to thinking I was enjoying it as much as I did some of JCs!  I don't know if it's been long enough since I last read the Julie Campbell volumes that my brain isn't making such a tight comparison, or if I've managed to lower my standards a bit for the KKs, or if this one had enough compensations I give it an even score overall.
 
One thing I really like about the Trixie books is the "hanging out with friends" and "everyday adventures" kind of stuff -- preparing for parties, friendly banter, bit of domestic stuff like painting the cabin, that sort of thing -- and this one has a good dose of them.  I also like Mart to be in character -- both annoying and supportive; someone who will take a proper mystery seriously but does not go looking for them -- and this one is pretty good in that respect.  I think Honey does kind of revert to being more cautious and homebody when Di is around, and she still spends time in the cave with Trixie, so that was fine, I thought.
 
I also like the "someone is honestly in danger" thing, which this book supplies in sufficient amounts.  And I really liked the way most of the original characters were portrayed.  Yeah, the author does use some hill billy cliches, but I thought the author did a good job of portraying Linnie and her mom as rounded characters, with both weaknesses and strengths, and I thought the culture clash was well handled.  The Bob-Whites didn't accept the ghost-y stuff, but they also didn't make a big deal of it or treat Linnie and her mom as lesser for holding that particular belief in the supernatural.  Would that more people were that tolerant regarding questions no one can definitively prove!
 
I really disliked the Gormans teasing Trixie in The Happy Valley Mystery, so I was glad that didn't happen.  Also disliked Trixie's repeated wrong guesses in Happy Valley -- I was pleased that she was shown right about Slim, because I think JCs version of Trixie has pretty good instincts about people.  She can certainly be wrong about why someone does something, because she can jump to the wrong conclusion very easily and can be a bit prejudicial, but I think she should be shown as right more often than wrong when it comes to someone she interacts with regularly.  So it may be I like Bob-White Cave more just because it comes after Happy Valley.  It gets right what Happy Valley did (Mart's more himself; goodly dose of danger), while not going as wrong.
 
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I do have to confess though when they have the party that I kept visualizing the relatives that come out for the wedding in the Beverly Hillbillies movie.   Roll Eyes

 
Seems legit.  I think it's the right area, anyhow.  Paul Henning, the creator of The Beverly Hillbillies, based it on the Branson area.  There's even an episode set in Silver Dollar City and filmed on location.  The College of the Ozarks -- "Hard Work U" -- is just south of Branson, and still offers the option of working their way through college to poorer students; they work during the school year for tuition, and some have the opportunity to work through the summer for room and board.  You can visit there year 'round -- there are a couple of museums (or museum-y things), conservatories with stunner orchids, a working grain mill, etc.  Henning and his wife purchased some of the area mentioned in Harold Bell Wright's book Shepherd of the Hills (the book that first brought attention to Branson and the Ozarks), and turned it into a preserve that you can still visit, which is pretty cool.  There are hiking trails, or you can just pull off onto a loop and a few steps from your car is a great view of the whole Branson area.
 
Quote from SusanV on Feb 19th, 2010, 12:58am:
Also, the group wouldn't accept Uncle Andrew's offer of money toward the charity, but they let him purchase all that spelunking equipment, plus a tank to keep the fish in?

 
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Although that bugged me as well, it's happened before, so I can't really blame this particular author for the inconsistency.
 
Quote from SusanV on Feb 19th, 2010, 12:58am:
I noticed that when Trixie needed help, she always called, "Jim! Brian!". Not Mart, and certainly not Honey. Oh, yes, I forgot that Honey called the boys ("Jim! Brian!") for help when Trixie was drowning.

 
Well, let's face it -- Jim and Brian are the muscle of the group!  Trixie is the driving force and the analyst; everyone is the brains sometimes (in the sense of supplying crucial information); Honey is the peacemaker and the one who takes care of domestic details; but when it comes to a situation requiring strength or some other form of physical power, Jim and Brian top the list.  Mart is no slacker, but he is smaller and less physically developed -- I've always assumed Mart is the small side of the muscular growth spurt a lot of teenage boys go through, and Brian and Mart t'other side of it.  My brother and both sons changed a lot, one year to the next, as their shoulders broadened and their muscles filled in, meaning that something they could barely manage one year -- hauling in the air conditioners in the spring, for instance -- was cake the next.
 
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Reply #21 - May 4th, 2017, 11:40am
 
I didn't realize Silver Dollar City had been around that long. I hear about it all the time as a theme park attraction.
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Reply #22 - May 4th, 2017, 1:26pm
 
Quote from macjest on May 4th, 2017, 11:40am:
I didn't realize Silver Dollar City had been around that long.

 
Silver Dollar City opened in 1960, so it technically predated The Beverly Hillbillies show, but they didn't visit it until the eighth season.  The show lasted nine seasons!   Smiley
 
Shepherd of the Hills, OTOH, was published in 1907, the year after the train line reached then Branson area, and by 1909 people were getting off at the Branson train station asking where various locations were.  There were re-enactments of the story in the Branson area starting as early as the 1920s, and a permanent outdoor theater built for it in 1960.  
 
The Beverly Hillbillies did have an impact, however, because Roy Clark became aware of Branson through guest starring on the show, and he ended up opening up his own theater there in 1983.  He sold it by 1997, but he'd established a trend.  I assume there'd been other plays and things going on before that, but he was the first "Headliner" to set up there semi-permanently.  If we ever get around to seeing a show there, it'll probably be at the "Andy Williams Performing Arts Center and Theater" -- Andy's gone now, but the Osmonds still perform there sometimes.   Smiley
 
It was pretty clear where "Happy Valley" was in Iowa, but I'm much less sure that the Bob-White Cave is in the Branson area. I'm thinking it's somewhere between Branson and Springfield, but there are some caves to the north west of Springfield as well (not sure that's considered the Ozarks), and all over the lower third of the state (definitely Ozarks), really.  With "Happy Valley," there were enough mentions of places that still exist, it was pretty easy to pin down on a map, to the point where I could get a rough estimate of how many miles between this or that.  Bob-White Cave, not so much.   Tongue  
 
But I think I can say for sure that, where ever it was, although it may be more rural, the Ozarks were so isolated back then that it's probably changed as much as "Happy Valley" has!
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Reply #23 - May 4th, 2017, 5:31pm
 
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I didn't realize Silver Dollar City had been around that long. I hear about it all the time as a theme park attraction.

 
Yes.    
 
When they celebrated their 50th anniversary (2010) , they gave out free season passes to people born in 1960 (turning 50 that year) and/or were celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary.  
You got a button to wear when you were at the park.  Citizens of the city  (aka park employees) would greet you and wish you well.  Steve turned 50 that year.  It was fun to see him being recognized each time we went.
 
Now, if you go to the General Store, near the time of your birthday, you still get a button to wear and a list of freebies that you can collect at the different venues in the city/park for that day only.
We are going next weekend.  I'll be able to rack up due to my birthday this Saturday.
 
Yes, we go a lot...season pass holders.
 
SDC is on my list of "must do"  if I ever host a Trixie gathering.  There are several sites in Branson that would work perfect for that, especially College of the Ozarks (aka School of the Ozarks, mentioned in BW Cave)
 
Oh...and Shepard of the Hlls outdoor drama would fit in terrifically as well....   a missing father, cougar shot by an unseen person, burning cabin...  
 
Sorry to steal the thread.  We are huge fans of Silver Dollar City.  That caught my attention and I just had to chime in.
 
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Reply #24 - May 4th, 2017, 6:03pm
 
Teresa, you're who I was thinking of when I said I'd heard a lot about Silver Dollar City. Which, by the way, sounds awesome. So does Branson in general. I hear of Branson whenever the Welk singers mention it on the Lawrence Welk re-runs.
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